Posts by compound complex

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How is the Mystery Doctrine from The Three Worlds still playing out

by yaddayadda in

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friends

this is an intriguing subject that the new book "the four presidents of the watch tower society (jehovah's witnesses)": edited by edmond c. gruss, apparently discusses.

anyone know what this 'three worlds' thing is about?

what is this 'mystery doctrine' that the society once taught?

compound complex

From: TFPOTWTS(JWS) ---

Russell's understanding: Jesus offered himself for all mankind, including the body of Christ - the 144,000 members of his church; [the anointed] PARTICIPATE in the ransoming and atoning work/ Christ's sacrifice for the world.

Numerous references to Russell's elaboration on doctrine follow, notably:

1911: Christ composed of many members (1 Cor. 12:12) The Messiah is prepared/ is first, followed by the Apostles and then various other members of the body through the Gospel age. "This age will end when the full number of the 'elect' shall have been found and tested. Then the body will have been completed. When The Messiah is complete, The Christ will be complete." p. 165/from WT Reprints, 6/15/1911, p. 4841

THE HARP OF GOD, by JFR, p. 182:

"The mystery is THE CHRIST, the great one through whom redemption, deliverance and blessing will ultimately come to all mankind who receive Christ and obey him."

Ibid., p.187:

"The Christ is composed of Jesus, the great and mighty head, and the 144,000 members...."

RUTHERFORD'S PROBLEM

The gathering of the 144,000 was viewed as complete [1935]. So what was the NEW message? New light on the ID of the "great multitude." They were not spirit begotten as long taught, but an earthly class. The new objective was to reach these individuals, who would live forever in the earthly paradise. Changes in Russell's teaching were now in order (see Duane Magnani's THE SECRET DOCTRINE OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES) Some claims of the anointed phased out:

Anointed no longer part of Christ's sin offering (as of 1939)

Members of GM no longer referred to the anointed members as "The Christ."

However, the Christ doctrine is still being taught [see WT 11/15/79] ............ to be continued.

Compound-Complex

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How is the Mystery Doctrine from The Three Worlds still playing out

by yaddayadda in

jw
friends

this is an intriguing subject that the new book "the four presidents of the watch tower society (jehovah's witnesses)": edited by edmond c. gruss, apparently discusses.

anyone know what this 'three worlds' thing is about?

what is this 'mystery doctrine' that the society once taught?

compound complex

Dear Yadda........

Give me some time. I touched on the Mystery Doctrine briefly 30 minutes ago while looking up more info on NHK's rage against Freddie for embarrassing him over 1975. I'm going to type you some stuff - takes me forever as I cannot type and have no scanner. It has to with the anointed becoming "Christs" on behalf of the OS, I recall.

CoCo

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Do you, too, see JW chronology numbers everywhere?

by GermanXJW in

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friends

i regulary look at my digital alarm clock and it says "19:14" and i think "hmm, used to be the end of the 'gentile times'" than i take a look at my number of posts and i have already passed 1914, 1918, 1925. when i look at car plates i get reminded of year numbers having been hammered into my brain.

well, this is not really serious, but i get always reminded of my jw past.

i have to add that chronology was something important to me and carl olof jonsson's book "the gentile times reconsidered" was an important one for me.

compound complex

Felicitations, Notre Ami d'Allemagne!

I wasn't sure if the term "palindrome" applies to numbers, but Webster says it does. It seems every time I glance at the digital clock, it's some such 7:47 or 1:21 or 13:31. It happens so frequently that I feel I should begin attaching some importance to it. I'm on the level. Hope that got past your radar.

CoCo oCoC

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The 613 Laws of JW's

by avidbiblereader in

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friends

the witnesses always say they are free in christ, i beg to differ, i don't know how many stupid unscriptural laws they have but lets start a thread on how many dumb witness laws you know and have heard of that make no sense or completely unbelievable, it is like they have a second talmud.

cant have walt disney movies or stuffed animals as this is magical.

cant have beards.

compound complex

Hey, ABR.........

Is the # 613 an arbitrary number? There are actually 1100 rules that one of the GB proclaimed as our touchstone [was it Barry?] If not what you had in mind, I am OK with a mere 613! -----

1) You baby-boomers [moi] may not complain about your failure to set aside for retirement [moi encore] as it "demonstrates a lamentable lack of faith."

2) You may not accept a job with which - you perceive beforehand - you could possibly fall in love.

3) It doesn't matter that worldly people are nicer than JWs that you know. Your brothers love Jehovah and would never do you wrong. Worldly people, though honest and upright, do not attend the KH and therefore will die. Why associate with bird fodder?

Numbers 1 and 2 employ actual WTSo terminology. Number 3 is in the ballpark. Is it wrong to play ball? [#4]

CoCo

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WT stance on misbehaving children at the Kingdom hall?

by closer2fine in

do they still advocate spanking?

any recent quotes from the magazines?.

thanks.

compound complex

Dear Victims of the Wooden Spoon,

To not lose it emotionally I must speak in the third person:

My "friend" grew up in a time when there were not child-protective services. At least, so it seemed. He and his siblings saw their adult lives unravel due to the ongoing, cruel effects of domestic violence from their childhood. Some of the children lashed out with their own version of bad behavior; others retreated into a world of confusion and subserviant behavior. Professional help is still being sought. The results are encouraging. Is it any wonder that the Society of Peace and Brotherhood appealed to us? My friend truly does forgive those that wittingly or unwittingly hurt him and his dear siblings. But right now I see him crying. He asked me to sign off for now.

CoCo

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Ongoing 'Don't shun me' campaign.

by AK - Jeff in

as many of you know by now - i do not tolerate 'shunners'.

i have done no evil, killed no one, never raped or pillaged any witnesses.

i do not tolerate small-minded witnesses who called me 'brother' for most of 40 years, now acting as if i am no better than sh*t on the bottom of their shoes.

compound complex

Cheers Jeff!

Good show. No, Don't Leave it in Jehovah's Hands! It's up to us individually to set matters straight. I have brave, don't-tread-on-me-type friends who have acted similarly when high-and-mighty JWs carried their religious hatred into the work place. Bad form. My friends got satisfaction because they were not spineless. We anticipate your further posts!

CoCo

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I am on break from JWD for the remainder of the week.

by OnTheWayOut in

jw
friends

yes, i post so much.

i spend so much time here.

i need to walk away for a few days.. i will not be reading your posts and commenting.

compound complex

Greetings OTWO,

If you are not reading this, then just ignore it. I'm thinking the same too, but I'm not so brave as you. Separation Anxiety. Is there a way I can trick myself out of the house and throw away the key? Some have commented that they never saw me this enthusiastic about the TRUTH. Well and good. Hope that you have a good week and that your fade/rescue circumstance improves.

Best Wishes,

CoCo

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FWF Disavows GB on 9/7/75

by compound complex in

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friends

during the gilead school graduation exercises, september 7, 1975, fred franz admitted to the students and their families that no governing body existed during the time of the apostles, nor one since then.

he had already concluded that the doctrine of a governing body from the days of the apostles to the present was a false teaching.

as franz revealed the unscriptural nature of the doctrine, his audience sat in bewildered silence.

compound complex

Greetings Nana, Avbire and Jeff,

Thank you for fleshing out my little commentary with information essential to a clearer understanding. Personal accounts, such as that of Nana, bring bookish events better into the realm of reality. And the separation between the corporate and the spiritual [is anything about the Society actually spiritual?] is an aspect that many of us were a bit confused over, not to mention a host of other issues. The real power lay within the presidency, as you noted, and neither of the men was about to let go without a fight. Of course, the underlying foundation for this issue was Paul's appointment and its lack of connection to a so-called GB. Reading the account in Galatians puts it into proper context, allowing us to see the SHAM[E] of it all. Isn't it interesting how we seem to be on the same "page" so frequently?

Gratefully,

CoCo

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FWF Disavows GB on 9/7/75

by compound complex in

jw
friends

during the gilead school graduation exercises, september 7, 1975, fred franz admitted to the students and their families that no governing body existed during the time of the apostles, nor one since then.

he had already concluded that the doctrine of a governing body from the days of the apostles to the present was a false teaching.

as franz revealed the unscriptural nature of the doctrine, his audience sat in bewildered silence.

compound complex

Kindly respond; this one was lotsa work! CoCo

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Strange things you can find on the net (JW related)

by Junction-Guy in

well i was on amazon website and did a word search under song titles and artists names.

i chose the words "watchtower" and "jehovah's witness" and you wouldnt believe all of the stuff that came up.

i will post my findings in several increments, so keep checking this thread for updates.

compound complex

Greetings J-G,

What a treasure trove of heavenly delights! I cannot believe the titles - "Waiting for the Light to Change?" Did I get the title correct? Too many more WT light changes and we'll have a major celestial chariot crash! Will the Society demand royalties, something about fair use or copyright? Sorry, it's late and I'm nodding off. But I did want to respond and say thanx for this and your replies to my various threads. Till later,

CoCo